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Is Dirk Nowitzki really the greatest European NBA player ever?

January 5, 2010

“When it’s all said and done Dirk will end up being the greatest European basketball player to ever play in the NBA, if he isn’t already.” So ran the tangential line from within a story at Bleacher Report entitled “A New Decade: A New Future.”

Though this contention is taken for granted in the U.S., in this instance the mention of Nowitzki’s preeminence was a stopper. Perhaps it was the prospect of reading more on the really very awful New Jersey Nets or just the simple acknowledgement of a mostly utterly non-clutch player (in the NBA) as the league’s finest ever, but such a premise deserves further inspection.

To the straight-up statistics first – we’ll talk intangibles and relative career success a bit further on – shows one monster compilation of stats indeed. Nowitzki’s career highlights in the NBA include:

• An average game line of 22.8 points and 8.5 rebounds in 36.6 minutes played.

• Currently in his 12th NBA season, has played in 872 of a possible 902 games, or a 96.67% attendance rate.

• The NBA’s 24th all-time leading scorer, at 22.83 ppg just behind George Mikan (23.13) and Vince Carter (23.31) while placing ahead of “Pitchin’ Paul” Arizin (22.81), a Philadelphia Warriors player of the 1950s with career stats strangely similar to Nowitzki’s, and Gilbert Arenas (22.75).

• Fewer than 100 points needed to accumulate 20,000 in career; figures to retire top 20 in the category.

• A career mark of 23.83 in John Hollinger’s PER ratings system, putting Nowitzki at no. 14 all-time and ahead of all non-US players, including Hakeem Olajuwon (23.59, 17th all-time) and Yao Ming (23.04, 21st) – not to mention Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Oscar Robertson and Larry freaking Bird.

An open and shut case, right? What the Mavericks have gotten in Nowitzki for more than a decade is an always-healthy seven-footer who plays like a small forward with an unstoppable fall-away jumper good for a double-double nearly nightly. Simply put, the greatest European players of our lifetime haven’t compiled the numbers in America that Nowitzki has.

Who can compare? Peja Stojakovic goes down as the no. 2 three-point shooter in the NBA for the 1990s, but three-plus seasons with the New Orleans Hornets have killed even his one-dimensional stats and the glory days of 2003-04 (when he was second in overall scoring at 24.2 ppg) are long gone.

Wish I could make a more valid argument for my main man Toni Kukoc here, but while his NBA career numbers aren’t too shabby – 15.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.1 apg – they don’t at all stand up to Dirk’s. Nowitzki’s long-time status as franchise player with the Mavericks destroys that of the Chicago Bulls’ sixth man whose peak years were spent in the long shadow of Michael Jordan and the subsequent Terri-Bulls remaining after M.J. left.

Alas, Arvydas: They hardly knew ye.

Alas, Arvydas: They hardly knew ye.

And then there is Arvydas Sabonis, of course, who entered the NBA at Nowitzki’s current age (31) after having already played some 15 professional seasons in Spain and Lithuania: This parallels Nowitzki’s career in that Dirk is currently entering his 16th professional season after spending four with DJK Würzburg in Germany. Frustratingly, we cannot make the direct comparison, even though analysis from the fantastic Basketball-Statistics would seem to imply that most of Sabonis’ Euroleague (plus probably his ACB stats at peak) would have come over to the NBA with the Lithuanian had he jumped to the U.S. earlier.

So after establishing himself as a consistent and dominant force, Dirk Nowitzki makes quite the convincing case as the best European player ever to play NBA basketball.

And yet. Two essential components are missing from Nowitzki’s true Hall of Fame career: Top-rate defensive ability and an NBA championship title. While Nowitzki is no longer the Irk (as in “Dirk” but with no D) of the Nash-as-comrade days, the most reasonable assessments tend to critique him thusly:

Nowitzki is an improved defender, but two factors of that improvement leave Dirk with the “defensive liability” label glued to his back. For one, Dirk’s advances on the defensive end were incremental, essentially beginning with the Avery Johnson era. For two, Dirk didn’t make a sudden leap in eye-popping defensive displays (a la LeBron), but instead made subtle modifications to his technique and increased his defensive awareness. That’s the kind of adjustment that comes from hours in the gym and the film room, and though Dirk will never be Kevin Garnett, he’s become a perfectly competent (and sometimes downright impressive, as he was against Tim Duncan in overtime last week) defender on one of the best defensive teams in the league.

(If true, one continues to wonder why Nowitzki probably lobbied for the dismissal of Johnson, The Man Who Taught The Mavericks Defense.)

Also of note vis-à-vis Dirk’s relative soft defense is the effect this has (or doesn’t have) on the eye-popping PER rating referenced above for Nowitzki’s career. Since “Hollinger freely admits that two of the defensive statistics it incorporates – blocks and steals – can produce a distorted picture of a player’s value and that PER is not a reliable measure of a player’s defensive acumen,” well, adjust Nowitzki’s all-time value accordingly. (Say to at least below The Big O.)

In fact, while Nowitzki averages an acceptable 1.9 turnovers per game, his career average in stocks (stocks = steals + blocks, statistic © Bill Simmons, The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy) is just 1.9 – a bit low for a big man. For comparison, Shawn Marion is at 3.8 stocks per game career; Tim Duncan, 3.1; Marcus Camby, 2.9; and Zydrunas Ilgauskas, 2.1.

Stats aside for a moment, though: What about Nowitzki’s (lack of) championship acumen? Sure, he utterly dominated Eurobasket 2005 and nearly single-handedly carried Team Germany to the silver medal – but one could argue that Sabonis, Kukoc and Stojakovic all enjoyed greater success in international play. And for many Americans, Dirk’s leadership will be (unfairly) characterized by the egregious choke job the Mavericks pulled in the 2006 NBA finals.

Nowitzki’s lack of playoff success is something of a mystery in fact. After all, the man has nailed big shots in the U.S. league, perhaps the biggest of which was the jumper in game five of that championship to put Dallas ahead with just over nine seconds remaining. Back to the numbers we go, which show that Dirk actually plays better statistically in 97 playoff games with a nice line of 25.5/11.0/2.6. Could it be that a team with Dirk Nowitzki as its go-to guy *can’t* win the NBA championship?

(Incidentally, with this seeming paradox firmly in place, Mavericks fans must really be sweating this year. For despite their current standing as perhaps second-best squad in the Western Conference, as Cavs the Blog/SLAM online writer John Krolik puts it:

Dallas has a ton of talent, Dirk is right up there with the best players in the league, and the team defends. My caveat would be that they’re thinner than people think, and much more dependent on Dirk. As of December 26th, Dallas was +11.6 points per 100 possessions with Dirk on the floor and a stunning -16.5 points per 100 with Dirk on the bench. As bad as LeBron and Kobe’s benches are, their teams are only -8 when they sit, to offer some perspective.)

So say a minor miracle or two (or perhaps just the annual injury to Andrew Bynum fortuitously timed) goes down and the Dallas Mavericks take the title. Even Ball in Europe might have to admit that Nowitzki is the top Euro player.

The next All-time greatest?

The next "All-time greatest"?

Sports being what it is, however, there could well be a new gun looking to take that title the minute Nowitzki rests up: Pau Gasol.

Now in his ninth NBA season, Gasol is besting Nowitzki in rebounds per game (8.8 to 8.5) and assists per game (3.2 to 2.7) while contributing 2.2 stocks per game over the course of his American career. While in the NBA, Gasol has averaged 2.5 turnovers per game, but with the Lakers the number is just 1.9 per. In the premier statistical category – namely, points – the Gasol argument against Nowitzki weakens a bit, with the Spaniard managing “just” 18.8 points per game, a number that won’t significantly increase until Kobe relinquishes more shots.

Nevertheless, NBA-wise, maybe it’s better for the European legend not to be the alpha dog. After all, Gasol’s international career achievements already top Dirk’s, while the former has notched more NBA championship appearances and titles in half the playing time.

For now, then, we’ll begrudgingly accept Nowitzki as best European player ever to be in the NBA – or at least as title-holder of best NBA career by a European player – but this “all-time” standing may not last long. An NBA title for Dallas would certainly go a long way…

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Comments: 12
  1. Jürgen Kalwa
    15 years ago

    Manual trackback: http://american-arena.blogspot.com/2010/01/nowitzki-statitzki.html

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  2. Boris
    15 years ago

    you forgot one name in this comparisons. Drazen Petrovic. His NBA carer might be to short do to fact it was tragicly stoped, but what he did for europeans goes beyond the stats

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    • Os
      15 years ago

      @ Boris: Yeah, i actually had a line or two about the masterful Drazen in there (i’m old enough to have seen him play in the NBA) but, like in the case of Lenny Bias, one can’t do more but speculate and guess what might’ve happened in another tragically missing NBA career. Thanks for reading!

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  3. xeno
    15 years ago

    1.9 turnovers a game may be merely acceptable to you but comparing francise players in the NBA it’s a top number. You make it seem it is very sad you have to accept Nowitzki as best Europlayer ever. Show some appreciation maybe?

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  4. Ronaldo
    15 years ago

    seriously, your bummed about dirk being such a great player? he’s on his way to his 10th 50 win season as the premier guy on his team. thats pretty incredible.

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  5. John
    15 years ago

    1) Dražen Petrović (Mozart of Basketball ….see him vs. MJ in Croatia vs. USA Dream Team 1)
    2) Arvidas Sabonis (Best Big man ever including NBA players)
    3) Krešimir Ćosić (Legend)
    4) Nikos Gallis (Best small shooting guard ever)
    5) Vlade Divac (Great Center)
    6) Toni Kukoc (probably the most talented European ever…but too soft)
    7) Pau Gasol (similar to Toni)
    8) Nowitski (great all around player but not good enough to make Germany a great team)
    9) Dino Rađa (averaged 20 pts/game for Boston)
    10) Dalipagić / Delibašić

    If Yugoslavia stayed together in 1992, Dream Team 1 would have their hands full. Imagine: Divac, Petrovic, Đorđević, Dino Rađa, Kukoč vs. MJ, Bird, Magic, Ewing, Mallone

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  6. Truth
    15 years ago

    Nowitzki is by far the best european player ever and this will remain probably for many decades. Furthermore he’s one of the best players ever played this game…for his size he s just incredible!

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  7. Trey Bell
    15 years ago

    Why do you ” begrudgingly” accept him as the best euro player?
    In my opinion Dirk and Pau are both greatness, lining their stats up side by side,comparing them to players past, and especially comparing there Int. careers (Germany has basically no one but Dirk) is picking knits (but to the guy who made the list and put Vlade Divac at # 5 and Sabonis at #2! c’mon now). Dirk needs what we now know he will never get, and what Pau has; a great 1-A player. Dirk and Pao are both 1-B’s who can’t do it without another great player to take the pressure off at some point in any respective game.

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    • Os Davis
      15 years ago

      @ Trey Bell: It’s the zero championships, man. I’m one of those guys who always puts the rings at the head of my considerations of “all-time greatness.” It’s why i tend to give players like Pau Gasol and Tony Kukoc more weight in these arguments…

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      • Trey Bell
        14 years ago

        I just don’t follow that logic, championships over skill. I like Pau, he’s one of my favorite players and he IS skilled, no doubt. Hell, he’s even a cooler guy than Dirk, and good for him he got those two titles, he did an absolutely excellent job augmenting Kobe this past finals, but Dirk is straight up better. His playoff and reg. season stats along with his long list of accomplishments say so. His playoff stats aren’t hollow either, Dirk had the one bad playoff series against the Warriors, but other than that he’s been solid even when the rest of his team wasn’t helping him much. Also my friends, let us not forget how Dirk owned Pau back in the 06 playoffs when the Mavs swept the Grizz. That was a 4 seed vs a 5 seed too!

        Became the first European, the first person who hasn’t attended a U.S. high school or college, and the first Maverick to win the NBA Most Valuable Player award (2006-2007)
        Became the only player in NBA history to register 150 three-point field goals and 100 blocks in a season (he had 151 three-point field goals and 101 blocks in the 2000–01 NBA season)
        Became the tallest player (7’0) to register more than 1,000 three-pointers, surpassing the previous record of Clifford Robinson and Rashard Lewis, who are both 6’10.
        Became the first player in Dallas Mavericks history to be named to an All-NBA team (2000-2001). He is the only Maverick, and European player in NBA history to be named to an All-NBA First Team (2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-2007, and 2008-09)
        Became the first player in NBA history who did not attend a U.S. high school or college to be selected to an All-NBA First Team (2004-2005)
        Became the first European player in NBA history to be an All-Star Game starter (2006-2007)
        Became the 3rd player in NBA history to lead the league in Win Shares for at least 3 consecutive seasons (2005-2007). The others are Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
        Became the 3rd player in NBA history (after Rick Barry and Larry Bird) to average 26-plus points while shooting 90% or better from the line (2005-06)
        Became the 5th player in NBA history to shoot better than 50% from the field (50.2), 40% from three-point range (41.6), and 90% from the line (90.4) (2006-07). The others are Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Steve Nash, and Jose Calderon. He and Bird are the only 2 of the 6 to average more than 20 points per game.
        Only 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average + 25ppg and + 10rpg in the NBA playoffs. The others are Elgin Baylor, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Petit and Shaquille O’Neal.
        Surpassed the 10,000 point career plateau on January 18, 2005 against the Washington Wizards.
        Became the 105th player and the 4th European-born player in NBA history to surpass 15,000 career points on March 30, 2007 in a win over the New York Knicks.
        Became the 2nd European player in NBA history (after Detlef Schrempf), to surpass 15,000 career points on March 30, 2007 in a win over the New York Knicks.
        Became the first European player in NBA history to accumulate over 2,000 career points in the playoffs.
        Became the only European player in NBA history to score 2,000 points in a season (2002-2003, 2004-2005, 2005-2006, and 2008-2009).
        Registered his first career triple-double on February 6, 2008. tallying 29 points, 12 assists and 10 rebounds. (2007-08)
        [edit]NBA Records
        Most free throws made in a playoff run: 205 (in 23 games, April 23–June 20, 2006)
        Most career 40+ point games by a European player, 17 times (12 in regular season, 5 in playoffs)
        Most All-Star game selections, and appearances by a European player, 8 times (2002–2009)
        Most All-NBA selections by a European player, 9 times (2001–2009)
        2nd most points in a single game by a European player, 53 points (December 2, 2004 vs. Houston Rockets), behind Tony Parker’s 55 points
        Most points in a playoff game by a European player, 50 points (June 1, 2006 vs. Phoenix Suns)

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  8. Basket Live
    15 years ago

    Dirk is absolutely one of the best but gasol is better.
    He is more concrete.

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  9. Brian
    14 years ago

    There was no choke in 2006. The Mavs lost game 3 by 2 points, game 5 by 1 point, and game 6 by 3 points. That’s a total of six points. In those three games, Dwyane Wade took 64 free throws, and the proof that at least 40 of them were handed to him by the refs can be seen on YouTube by searching Phantom Foul. The 5 phantom fouls on YT are only a very small number of ridiculous calls made in only one game in the finals. Even Phil Jackson said the Mavericks were screwed over that year.

    Dirk also doesn’t disappear in the playoffs, especially when it counts the most. He has 13 30 point elimination performances. Only one other player in the history of the NBA has more 30 point elimination games.

    Since 05-06, Dirk has hit more game winning shots in the last seconds of a game than any other player. He hit 8, Wade hit 5, Melo hit 2 and Kobe hit 1.

    Dirk is tied with Kobe for the most game winners in the last 10 seconds since 05-06, but he did it with much fewer shot attempts.

    In the past 3 seasons, Dirk is 8-15 in the last 10 seconds of a game. Kobe is 10-21. 10-21 is less than 50%, 8-15 is almost 60%.

    Since 2003 dirk is almost 60% on clutch shots. Kobe is somewhere in the 30% range.

    Dirk is only 1 of 4 players in the history of the NBA to record 25+ points and 10+ rebounds in their playoff career.

    Dirk doesn’t get as many offensive rebounds as other bigs because he guards players out on the floor unlike every other big. It’s hard to get a tip rebound when you’re away from the basket.

    Saying Gasol is even within 100 light years of Dirk is hilarious.

    Titles are a team accomplishment. When Kobe had no post player, they missed the playoffs and were nowhere close to winning a title. The team he went to the finals with over the last three season is largely the same team he blamed for losing when he missed the playoffs. Insert a good post player and suddenly Kobe is the best ever.

    Dirk has had no one manning the paint in his entire career and has faired way better than Kobe did when he was without Shaq and Gasol.

    Dirk is a much better defender than people give him credit for. Most people just repeat what they hear someone else say, especially if it agrees with what they want to believe.

    Saying Gasol is even within 100 light years of Dirk is still hilarious.

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